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Iraqi Doctors Deny Jessica Lynch Was Raped Unbelieveable. Literally.

#1 User is offline   jessefan 

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 02:38 PM

All the proof we need that they are a lying bunch of SOB's.
Now this will be spun by the BBC types. They will take the Iraqis word against Lynch and Bragg's.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/1103/...rapedenied.html

Iraqi doctors deny Jessica Lynch was raped

The Associated Press


NASIRIYAH, Iraq -- Iraqi doctors who treated former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch dismissed on Friday claims made in her biography that she was raped by her Iraqi captors.

Although Lynch said she has no memory of the sexual assault, medical records cited in "I am a Soldier, Too: The Jessica Lynch Story" indicate that she was raped and sodomized by her Iraqi captors, according to U.S. media who said they had advance copies.

The book -- due to be released Tuesday -- covers Lynch's experience between March 23 when her 507th Maintenance Company convoy was ambushed in Nasiriyah and April 1 when she was evacuated from a hospital by U.S. commandos. It was unclear if the book cites American or Iraqi records.

A family spokesman, Stephen Goodwin, confirmed the book alleges Lynch was raped.

Lynch suffered broken bones to her right arm, right leg and thighs and ankle and received a head injury when her Humvee utility vehicle was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade and crashed into another vehicle. Eleven soldiers were killed in the attack.

Dr. Mahdi Khafazji, an orthopedic surgeon at Nasiriyah's main hospital performed surgery on Lynch to repair a fractured femur and said he found no signs that she was raped or sodomized.

Khafazji, speaking at his private clinic in Nasiriyah, said he examined her extensively and would have detected signs of sexual assault. He said the examination turned up no trace of semen.

Dr. Khafazji said Lynch was taken first to the Military Hospital, a few hundred yards from the ambush site at around 8 a.m., about an hour after the attack. A few hours later, she was brought to his hospital.

"She was injured at about 7 in the morning," he said. "What kind of animal would do it to a person suffering from multiple injuries?"

Dr. Jamal al-Saeidi, a brigadier general and head of the orthopedic department at the now disbanded Military Hospital, remembers seeing Jessica's motionless body on a bed in the crowded lobby of his hospital. He said a police van parked outside appeared to have brought her to the hospital.

"When she was brought there she was fighting for her life," said Dr. al-Saeidi at his private clinic. "She was in shock because of the severity of her injury."

He said Lynch was fully clothed with her field jacket buttoned up. "Her clothes were not torn, buttons had not come off, her pants were zipped up," al-Saeidi said.

Al-Saeidi said he found no signs of rape during an examination although he acknowledged he was not looking for signs of sexual assault.

Lynch had lost more than half of her blood because of a 10- to 15-centimeter long wound on the left side of her head, as well as broken limbs that caused internal bleeding, al-Saeidi said.

"We had a few minutes, golden minutes to save her," he said. He rushed her to the operating room, away from the crowded lobby, and gave her intravenous fluid and blood and stitched her head wound.

Another U.S. soldier, Lori Piestewa, died half an hour after arriving at the hospital with Lynch of severe head injuries, doctors said.

Half an hour after surgery on Lynch, al-Saeidi assured her that she was in good hands.

He told her that she had to undergo surgery in a couple of days, but Lynch said: "'No, I want to be in the States."'

Soon afterward, military intelligence officers came to the hospital to take Lynch away. Dr. al-Saeidi told them if she did not get medical attention she would die. They took her to the Saddam Hospital, where she stayed nine days until Iraqi soldiers left the hospital.

Several hours later American commandos raided the hospital and evacuated her.

"Why are they saying such things?" a bitter Dr. Khodheir al-Hazbar, the hospital's deputy director, said. "We were good to her."
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#2 User is offline   jessefan 

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 02:45 PM

Disgusting. I'm already seeing reports refering to the assault on her as "an alleged rape." They are already taking the Iraqi's side against Lynch.
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 02:46 PM

Beat you to it (in the sad news thread). However, it's possible she could've been assaulted between the hospitals when she was in the complete control of the Fedayeen. That may account for her lack of memory, and the injuries that the 2nd hospital doctors said were NOT consistent with a road accident.
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 03:07 PM

I don't have a lot of confidence in what any Iraqi doctor says....because that country is still in turmoil. If we someday bring our troops home, and the forces loyal to Saddam retake power, any doctor or nurse who's spoken in public against them is dead -- and they all know it.

Those doctors aren't stupid....they know there's a presidential election in less than a year...and if some liberal democrat becomes U.S. president, our troops come home, and they are at the mercy of whichever radical bunch fills the void, whether Saddam or someone else.

I trust Jessi's friends (who hinted to me months ago she was brutalized and sexually assaulted) AND the U.S. military doctors in West Germany far more than anyone in Iraq.


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Posted 07 November 2003 - 03:18 PM

QUOTE (jessefan @ Nov 7 2003, 02:45 PM)
Disgusting. I'm already seeing reports refering to the assault on her as "an alleged rape." They are already taking the Iraqi's side against Lynch.

I just love that....what do they want...a ####### video of the assault??
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 03:50 PM

One other thing...the first doctor said he found no semen traces...doesn't mean she wasn't raped with something other than a man's member...a forign object like a broom handle would do...rape in this situation is not a matter of sexual gratification...it's a matter of control and power, and a foreign object could do just as much damage ot the victim's mental state as actually having a man go at you.

It's a war crime in any case...
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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:26 PM

Sapano is right!

I recalled a movie on Lifetime of this story of this learning disb. teenage girl. These boys raped her with broom handle, tree branch, baseball bat and, other forgin objects in her vigina. She filed rape charges and these teen boys went to jail intill they where 21.

Anyhow, I know it's far fectch, If they thy used there penis to rape Jessica, They could used a condom aswell, to keep any traces of there seamen from being left in her. You can trace a person back by there seamen by DNA. It's very possable they could of used a object, the Iraqi's are into being domamate and they would rape to show that. A alot folks think anal rape is a gay thing, it mainly a domiate rapes to gain control of a person mentely.
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#8 User is offline   Matt Wiser 

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Posted 07 November 2003 - 05:28 PM

No wonder the Iraqi doctors are denying things. As Mohammed said on Dateline, they are afraid that Saddam will return to power. As for the assault, there is a 3-hr gap from the ambush to arrival at the hospital. Mohammed spoke to a eyewitness to the ambush and this man told Mohammed that he saw a fair-skinned female soldier pulled from a Humvee and beaten before being taken away. From the ambush to the hospital-that's 3 hours. Plenty of time for those Fedayeen bully-boys to turn Jessica into a wreck-and one of the doctors in a Newsweek article mentioned that Jessica's injuries were not consistent with a car accident.
There was a CNN story back in May where two other doctors mentioned that they had seen Jessica being beaten, and Mohammed mentions a nurse who told him she had seen an interrogator pulling Jessica up by her hair. While it'd be great if the guilty parties get caught, put on trial, convicted, and shot, most of them are probably dead at the hands to the Marines who took Nasiriya. Chemical Ali's in our custody, though, and can certainly stand trial for what happened. Torture and abuse of a POW is usually considered a capital offense by the U.S. military-and quite a few Germans and Japanese were tried and executed after WW II for such acts.
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  Posted 07 November 2003 - 07:40 PM

Jessica's words are the only credible ones!! The Iraqi Doctors, Mohammed, and our misguided friends in the Pentagon and Media can make excuses and say what they wish till their teeth fall out of their heads.
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Posted 08 November 2003 - 01:42 AM

Please refrain from the use of sexual graphics! When you first log onto the site you will read a poem by a Virginia girl. 12 years old I believe. There is no doubt that we get a bit agitated by the media hype. But, please refrain, and hold yourself back. I don't know if Jessica ever visits this site, but we need to be sensitive.

I am not so sure that retaliation against hate mail should be brought here if it is too harsh.

Come on folks, this is not a Christian site but, many of us are Christians. Many are looking for the right stuff on Jessica. We provide that here! Let's keep it that way. Please. A safe, family atmosphere, loving place in a world of harsh realities, extereme graphics, and not so pleasant language.

Thanks and may God Bless
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Posted 08 November 2003 - 04:29 AM

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There was a CNN story back in May where two other doctors mentioned that they had seen Jessica being beaten


Matt Wiser, I guess great minds think alike. I had saved that article and just came here with the intent of quoting from it after hearing the news reports about the Iraqi docs denying the charge. Here it is:

Iraqi doctors say they took risks to care for Lynch Hospital staff gave her food, medicine, news, they say From John Vause
CNN

Sunday, April 20, 2003 Posted: 7:32 AM EDT (1132 GMT)
Special Report
NASIRIYA, Iraq (CNN) -- Doctors and nurses at Nasiriya's main hospital say they defied senior Iraqi military leaders and Baath Party officials to care for a wounded American soldier who was held prisoner there for more than a week.
Ahmed Muhsin, a resident doctor at the hospital, said he and other medical workers smuggled food and news of advancing coalition forces to Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch, who was under constant guard while being treated for two broken legs, a broken arm and a fractured back. There was no immediate way to independently confirm the doctors' claims. Saad Abd Alrazaq, a hospital administrator, said Lynch was in shock when she arrived at the hospital. He said that she was given plasma and two transfusions, and that he gave her clothes from his wife's closet because she was covered by little more than a sheet. "She had no family in Iraq, and we felt we were her family," Alrazaq said. "We would visit her often, sometimes with my children." Lynch and a number of other soldiers from the 507th Ordnance Maintenance Company, along with several from other units, were listed as missing in action after Iraqi forces ambushed their convoy March 23 near Nasiriya. The 19-year-old native of Palestine, West Virginia, a supply clerk with the 507th, was rescued April 1 in a commando raid on the hospital. Lynch's rescuers also discovered the bodies of nine other missing soldiers.
Muhsin said Lynch's guards beat her and tried to stop doctors from checking on her more than twice a day, but that he and others on the staff would give her biscuits, oranges, milk and medicine from their own limited supplies.
"She suffered from [the soldiers]," he said. "Largely she suffered from
them."
The hospital staff said they thought it was their duty as Muslims to give Lynch the best possible treatment. Islam, they said, teaches that prisoners of war should be treated well.
The staff also appeared to have been taking a quiet stand against Saddam Hussein's regime.
"Always I spoke with her and told her that [the] American military is close to Nasiriya and will arrive soon," Alrazaq said. Eight days after Lynch was brought to the hospital, that prediction came true.


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/20/...ital/index.html

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Posted 08 November 2003 - 09:18 AM

There are so many inconsistancies in what those Iraqi doctors have said since Jessi's rescue. First, they greatly understate the massive injuries that Jessi suffered. Secondly, months ago they said that when Jessi first came into their hospital that she was only wearing her military tee shirt. Now the doctors are saying that Jessi was fully dressed when she arrived. They also claimed that Mohammed's wife Iman didn't even work there at the hospital. I don't trust the Iraqi doctors at all.

Jerry Hall
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Posted 08 November 2003 - 10:47 AM

Hello all: Like everyone here I have read snippets of Jessica's book. In what I have read, she says that she did not suffer any physical abuse in the Saddam hospital. I do not have the quote handy, of course, but it was in yesterday's USA today. In fact, she credits the docs there with saving her life.
She also told about the nurse that sang her to sleep. "It was a pretty song." she said. On 29 June, the Washington Post did an re-vamped article of the Jessica story in which they mentioned this fact and this singing nurse. Jessica confirmed it. The docs in that article also say that there was no slapping incident and so on; Jessica has confirmed this as well. Whatever abuse she suffered happened in those critical three hours before she was fighting for her life on the operating table. The CNN article here, confirming that she suffered from the soldiers, could have meant that she did suffer from them -- which we all know now how badly she did -- in those three hours before Jessica was condemned to hospitals for five months.

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Posted 08 November 2003 - 04:38 PM

I very strongly agree with Randy that this is not the place for graphic speculation re: what might have happened to Jessica. Until proven otherwise, I think we should assume she and/or her family may see these posts.
Let's offer her our support and care and maybe even a chuckle or two. Who can not chuckle while visualizing Kicks smack in the middle of the women's magazine section?? I do hope no wiseacre makes the mistake of making a smart remark as Kicks peruses the bridal magazines while searching for Glamour.
Now, I am dying to know--Eric have you bought yours or did you send Debbie??
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Posted 08 November 2003 - 04:39 PM

DO STORIES THAT DIFFER REALLY SURPRISE ANYBODY HERE ????? IT'S BEEN THIS WAY SINCE DAY ONE!!!! WHY THE ANGST.
THERE'S THE WAY THINGS ARE,...AND THE THE WAY THEY OUGHTA BE
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