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I would like to start out by saying that I do believe that Jessica sacrificed for her country. She went were others wouldn't go. But why are we all concentrating on her when there were many others in the fight. What about the soldiers that died during the fight? what about the special ops soldiers that saved her? I believe she should get the POW medal(although some viet nam and WWII pows who spent YEARS being tortured might have a different opinion.)And she should get a purple heart for being injured. But exactly what act of valor and heroism distinguished her from her comrades during that ambush? what did she do that they didn't that she should get a bronze star? And the idea that the medal of honor was even brought up is absurd. She didn't throw herself on a grenade or carry several wounded soldiers to safety. She was ina firefight(just like every other soldier in that country) and she surrendered. It states in the Code of Conduct that we are to never surrender while we still have the means to resist. They had .50 caliber machine guns as well as assorted small arms. I do believe she is a soldier and she did her duty, but so did countless others. I would like to talk with the other POW's and find out what her individual actions were before we start giving away medals
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Posted 04 May 2003 - 09:14 PM
Very simple. This is a site for Jessica Lynch. Where we come to talk about her, ponder her situations, ...just talk about things.
We're not saying that she is more important than any of the other P.O.W's.But we are a group of people, for one reason or another,.. she has captured our hearts , souls and minds.WHY??? Well,WHY NOT!!???It's that simple.
As far as your surrender theory, I don't give a rats ass what it's suppose to be, Sgt. Riley most likely SAVED those people lives!!!!!Fight to the death? Go watch a movie, babe. This is real life.
That man alone, is now responsable for the fact that he, as well as the other P O W's are now with their families.He may very well be the ONLY reason why all these people are still alive today.
Do ya think Shoshanna Johnson's baby girl cares about anything other than the fact that momma's in her arms??
Sgt.Riley deserves all the credit in the world.
We don't down play him, as with the others, we DO celabrate them. But, as I've said, ....this is a site for Jessica Lynch.That's why we're here.
And what act did she do that separates her???She survived, kid. She survived.And we're here, in this forum, to celabrate that.
We're not saying that she is more important than any of the other P.O.W's.But we are a group of people, for one reason or another,.. she has captured our hearts , souls and minds.WHY??? Well,WHY NOT!!???It's that simple.
As far as your surrender theory, I don't give a rats ass what it's suppose to be, Sgt. Riley most likely SAVED those people lives!!!!!Fight to the death? Go watch a movie, babe. This is real life.
That man alone, is now responsable for the fact that he, as well as the other P O W's are now with their families.He may very well be the ONLY reason why all these people are still alive today.
Do ya think Shoshanna Johnson's baby girl cares about anything other than the fact that momma's in her arms??
Sgt.Riley deserves all the credit in the world.
We don't down play him, as with the others, we DO celabrate them. But, as I've said, ....this is a site for Jessica Lynch.That's why we're here.
And what act did she do that separates her???She survived, kid. She survived.And we're here, in this forum, to celabrate that.
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Posted 04 May 2003 - 10:28 PM
[FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][SIZE=1][FONT=Courier]PFC Lynch and the other POW's - May God Bless Each of Them
It's my understanding, from reading individual reports in some home town newspapers where the other POW's from the 507th were from; reports generated from comments they made to loved ones before the news blackout was enforced and comments were made to home town newspapers, that there's quite a difference between what they endured and what PFC Lynch did. The others were able to climb under a vehicle when the first shots rang out. In the process their weapons got filled with sand and jammed. They weren't able to fire back other than a few individual shots by one who'd an M-16.
I understand that five from the 507th were able to get away from the ambush after it'd been attacked, in addition to those in the lead vehicles who escaped over the bridge. Four were able to walk a mile and were picked up by a helicopter. A fifth was able to hide and returned afterwards to retrieve some personal belongings. Some soldiers had formed a defensive perimeter and that had included PFC Lynch. There'd been a machine gun as a part of that group, but it jammed. Other M-16's amongst those in that group also jammed. It's reported PFC Lynch's weapon didn't jam and she used all of her ammo. It's also reported PFC Lynch spent as much time as possible at the firing range in the states making sure she knew how to use her weapon properly.
From what I've read off the internet, the fighting group she was a part of may easily have provided some covering fire for those who escaped.
Apparently she fought until there was nothing left to fight with and only then was she was captured. Perhaps she escaped being shot to death during the firefight because she was a small target or because she was aware enough to shoot anyone who had a bead on her. There was of course a $15,000.00 bounty on captured POW's. Perhaps that's why many of those who escaped were shot in the legs rather than killed. It seems there was every effort to capture her rather than kill her, believing that because of her size she could be controlled, despite her fighting spirit that apparently proclaimed she wouldn't be captured alive. Where even a subtle defiant spirit may have contributed to additional injuries after her capture. 
It seems likely some of her injuries were received after she captured. It's reported the fedayeen
used to beat the Iraqis with steel bars and pipes to break their limbs and break the bottoms of their feet. Could this have happened to PFC Lynch? 
It seems there's very little comparison to what happened to PFC Lynch and what happened with the others who were captured.
There are reports from the soldiers who escaped about what happened at the ambush; in addition to reports from Iraqis. It appears that PFC Lynch is one extremely brave, honorable, fighting soldier that deserves every honor and accolade that's bestowed upon her. Then it probably won't be enough in light of the courage shown and what she intensely endured long enough so she could be rescued, rather than be another casualty as she surely would have been if they'd cut off her leg in that hospital, especially with the infection she had! I don't doubt that she KNEW she'd die if she wasn't rescued!
May God Bless Every Soldier because every situation is different. I believe PFC Lynch's fortitude and courage in the face of death are worthy of a MOH even as my old classmate, SOP's SSGT Dale Dehnke is. His body was recovered from near Laos during the Viet Nam war, surrounded by 600 dead Viet Cong. He didn't get a MOH, probably because is actions weren't witnessed; as PFC Lynch's weren't entirely witnessed. Yet I believe both PFC Lynch and SSGT Dehnke are equally deserving of a MOH and I would be delighted if either of them received one.
There's little doubt in my mind she deserves one.
It's my understanding, from reading individual reports in some home town newspapers where the other POW's from the 507th were from; reports generated from comments they made to loved ones before the news blackout was enforced and comments were made to home town newspapers, that there's quite a difference between what they endured and what PFC Lynch did. The others were able to climb under a vehicle when the first shots rang out. In the process their weapons got filled with sand and jammed. They weren't able to fire back other than a few individual shots by one who'd an M-16.
I understand that five from the 507th were able to get away from the ambush after it'd been attacked, in addition to those in the lead vehicles who escaped over the bridge. Four were able to walk a mile and were picked up by a helicopter. A fifth was able to hide and returned afterwards to retrieve some personal belongings. Some soldiers had formed a defensive perimeter and that had included PFC Lynch. There'd been a machine gun as a part of that group, but it jammed. Other M-16's amongst those in that group also jammed. It's reported PFC Lynch's weapon didn't jam and she used all of her ammo. It's also reported PFC Lynch spent as much time as possible at the firing range in the states making sure she knew how to use her weapon properly.
From what I've read off the internet, the fighting group she was a part of may easily have provided some covering fire for those who escaped.
Apparently she fought until there was nothing left to fight with and only then was she was captured. Perhaps she escaped being shot to death during the firefight because she was a small target or because she was aware enough to shoot anyone who had a bead on her. There was of course a $15,000.00 bounty on captured POW's. Perhaps that's why many of those who escaped were shot in the legs rather than killed. It seems there was every effort to capture her rather than kill her, believing that because of her size she could be controlled, despite her fighting spirit that apparently proclaimed she wouldn't be captured alive. Where even a subtle defiant spirit may have contributed to additional injuries after her capture. It seems likely some of her injuries were received after she captured. It's reported the fedayeen
used to beat the Iraqis with steel bars and pipes to break their limbs and break the bottoms of their feet. Could this have happened to PFC Lynch? It seems there's very little comparison to what happened to PFC Lynch and what happened with the others who were captured.
There are reports from the soldiers who escaped about what happened at the ambush; in addition to reports from Iraqis. It appears that PFC Lynch is one extremely brave, honorable, fighting soldier that deserves every honor and accolade that's bestowed upon her. Then it probably won't be enough in light of the courage shown and what she intensely endured long enough so she could be rescued, rather than be another casualty as she surely would have been if they'd cut off her leg in that hospital, especially with the infection she had! I don't doubt that she KNEW she'd die if she wasn't rescued!May God Bless Every Soldier because every situation is different. I believe PFC Lynch's fortitude and courage in the face of death are worthy of a MOH even as my old classmate, SOP's SSGT Dale Dehnke is. His body was recovered from near Laos during the Viet Nam war, surrounded by 600 dead Viet Cong. He didn't get a MOH, probably because is actions weren't witnessed; as PFC Lynch's weren't entirely witnessed. Yet I believe both PFC Lynch and SSGT Dehnke are equally deserving of a MOH and I would be delighted if either of them received one.
There's little doubt in my mind she deserves one.
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Posted 04 May 2003 - 10:53 PM
Please read my post titled "Celebrate America"...regarding former POW and Douglas County, GA native Ronald Young Jr (a Chief Warrant Officer from Fort Hood). I'm just as thrilled that Ron is alive and safe tonight as I am Jessica. I'm thankful that seven POW's were rescued. I've shed tears over the loss of other soldiers I never knew...Lori Piestewa and Master Sgt Dowdy...and two brave young men from metro Atlanta that lost their lives trying to save the 507th (one of whom was granted U.S. citizenship after his death--he was born in Columbia).
I'm worried sick about a brave young USAF officer that flies an F-16...a lieutenant based at Langley that was sent to the Persian Gulf several weeks ago (I know he arrived safely, thanks to his mom's emails). His name is Mike...I've never met him, but know he's a good guy, a man of honor--a fellow weather enthusiast. I consider Mike my little brother....am praying for his safety.
Just before he left, Mike signed the guestbook on my website. I emailed him and told him to keep his head down and be careful, don't be a hero; if there was anything he needed, just let me know....I'd have it in the mail ASAP. If something happens to that young man, I'll grieve as if he were my own son.
This website just happens to be about Jessica Lynch. Why? I don't know...you'd have to ask Scott..the adminstrator. I'm sure there are websites about other soldiers that served in Operation Iraqi Freedom....because there are memorial websites all over the internet, many very touching....moving tributes in honor of soldiers both living and lost.
Why did I pick Pfc Jessica Lynch to create a website in honor of?? Personal reasons....Jessica reminds me a great deal of my oldest sister Becky when she was a teenager. She also reminds me of another shy little blonde country girl that served her country after high school to earn her education and see the world....her name is Traci, and she was my sister's best friend in high school; I've known her since she was in kindergarden, and she's always seemed like a little sister to me. My late mother was also born and raised in Appalachia....just like Jessica Lynch. I also am blessed with an 18 year old baby sister; and an eight year old niece (who makes a room brighten simply by entering, makes the day better by simply saying "I love you uncle Perry"
Those are also the reasons I'm posting on this forum..
God Bless,
Perry
I'm worried sick about a brave young USAF officer that flies an F-16...a lieutenant based at Langley that was sent to the Persian Gulf several weeks ago (I know he arrived safely, thanks to his mom's emails). His name is Mike...I've never met him, but know he's a good guy, a man of honor--a fellow weather enthusiast. I consider Mike my little brother....am praying for his safety.
Just before he left, Mike signed the guestbook on my website. I emailed him and told him to keep his head down and be careful, don't be a hero; if there was anything he needed, just let me know....I'd have it in the mail ASAP. If something happens to that young man, I'll grieve as if he were my own son.
This website just happens to be about Jessica Lynch. Why? I don't know...you'd have to ask Scott..the adminstrator. I'm sure there are websites about other soldiers that served in Operation Iraqi Freedom....because there are memorial websites all over the internet, many very touching....moving tributes in honor of soldiers both living and lost.
Why did I pick Pfc Jessica Lynch to create a website in honor of?? Personal reasons....Jessica reminds me a great deal of my oldest sister Becky when she was a teenager. She also reminds me of another shy little blonde country girl that served her country after high school to earn her education and see the world....her name is Traci, and she was my sister's best friend in high school; I've known her since she was in kindergarden, and she's always seemed like a little sister to me. My late mother was also born and raised in Appalachia....just like Jessica Lynch. I also am blessed with an 18 year old baby sister; and an eight year old niece (who makes a room brighten simply by entering, makes the day better by simply saying "I love you uncle Perry"
Those are also the reasons I'm posting on this forum..
God Bless,
Perry
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Posted 05 May 2003 - 12:21 AM
| QUOTE (hoodsoldier @ May 4 2003, 08:27 PM) |
| ...why are we all concentrating on her when there were many others in the fight. What about the soldiers that died during the fight? what about the special ops soldiers that saved her?... |
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Jessica was there when America needed a hero (heroine). Her name was given national recognition by the national media. We know most about her ordeal, thanks to them. There are those, as you have shown, who want to lessen her glory in favor of the others. Some of us, though I can't speak for zacc1, realize she was not alone in Iraq. But, the challenge is to raise the level of honor and recognition for the rest of them to Jessica's level and not to try to lower Jessica to the level of some lowest common denominator. All have my undying gratitude and I will honor all until my last breath. Most will be forever nameless to me, but some, including Jessica, I'll remember by name.
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Posted 05 May 2003 - 01:40 AM
Why the special attention for Jessica Lynch?
She was the first POW recovered. She was the only POW recovered for at least a week and a half if I remember right.
She is the most severly injured of the 8 POWs.
The other POWs have had parades, met the President, etc..
She was rescued in a much more dramatic way than the other POWs
Looking back, her rescue seems to mark a turning point in the entire war. Shortly after she was rescued, the 3rd ID captured the airport, then Baghdad was taken, the Saddam statue torn down, the remaining cities like Mosul and Tikrit were taken and the other POWs were found. She was the first in a string of good news and at the time one of the only bright moments.
Everyone who serves in the military deserves our admiration including those who never end up in a war. They have no choice whether they are deployed or not, but they did have a choice when they volunteered for military service and for that they deserve respect. I'm sure Jessica Lynch would prefer that she was not ambushed, captured and seriously hurt and that she was still with her unit, performing her duties and coming home when her tour of duty ends as just another anonymous soldier never to be famous.
She was the first POW recovered. She was the only POW recovered for at least a week and a half if I remember right.
She is the most severly injured of the 8 POWs.
The other POWs have had parades, met the President, etc..
She was rescued in a much more dramatic way than the other POWs
Looking back, her rescue seems to mark a turning point in the entire war. Shortly after she was rescued, the 3rd ID captured the airport, then Baghdad was taken, the Saddam statue torn down, the remaining cities like Mosul and Tikrit were taken and the other POWs were found. She was the first in a string of good news and at the time one of the only bright moments.
Everyone who serves in the military deserves our admiration including those who never end up in a war. They have no choice whether they are deployed or not, but they did have a choice when they volunteered for military service and for that they deserve respect. I'm sure Jessica Lynch would prefer that she was not ambushed, captured and seriously hurt and that she was still with her unit, performing her duties and coming home when her tour of duty ends as just another anonymous soldier never to be famous.
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Posted 05 May 2003 - 02:56 AM
I agree she is still in hospital part of the others are already in parties compare here:http://www.4law.co.il/L697.html
and she is a hero in the conditions that she was.
and she is a hero in the conditions that she was.
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Posted 05 May 2003 - 01:03 PM
| QUOTE (bg10 @ May 5 2003, 04:56 AM) |
| I agree she is still in hospital part of the others are already in parties compare here:http://www.4law.co.il/L697.html and she is a hero in the conditions that she was. |
bg10, your website is awesome!
I added it to the links page of my website over the weekend.
Congratulations and God Bless,
Perry
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Posted 05 May 2003 - 04:39 PM
When we join the service, I am speaking from experience as I just found I have been accepted in the Army, it is in the back of my mind that I may have to fight and die for my country. I can truly say that she is and always will be an inpspiration for those of us who wear a uniform and wear it with pride. We are all brothers and sisters in arms and my heart breaks knowing the fight that she is putting up as she will forever battle 23 Mar 2003 and I want her and her familty to know that her fellow brothers and sisters in arms are in your corner fighting with you Pfc Lynch. Your not alone and need not fear that you will be alone.
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