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Iraqi Prisoner Photos Is CBS guilty of treason?

#1 User is offline   Kicks 

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  Posted 05 May 2004 - 08:02 AM

Knowing that releasing those photos of Iraqi prisoners would, or might, incite a rise in violence against Americans in Iraq, should CBS be held accountable? Is this a form of treason? Or is this the ultimate in freedom of the press? Does the press have to right to incite violence and cause many more deaths to Americans, just because they can? mad.gif

Shouldn't CBS have just reported their finding to the military and let them deal with the situation? Even though it is "our right to know", is it that important to know if it means that your son, your daughter, your father or mother gets killed because of it? sad.gif


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Posted 05 May 2004 - 11:08 AM

Good question...but I'd have to say CBS is not as much as fault as one might think.

1) The photos were already out from news outlets that are viewed more than CBS in the regions who are most likely to explode anyway...Al Jazeera had a field day. (The fact that a Tunisian site showed the Agu Gharib shots along with pics from a badly produced Russian porno -- alleging those were of American soldiers raping women in the women's prison (for one...the women look AWFULLY European, and the camo pattern on the "soldiers" uniforms is not one of the 2 American patters) means nothing...stupid people will believe the fakes are as real as the real shots)

2) American news outlets DO have a duty to report misbehavior by our forces...we're supposed to be better then that.

3) If there was any treason, it was by the American guards...they did more damage to our ideals and cause than if we'd deliberately bombed a mosque during Friday prayers...


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Posted 06 May 2004 - 05:37 PM

QUOTE (Kicks @ May 5 2004, 10:04 AM)
Knowing that releasing those photos of Iraqi prisoners would, or might, incite a rise in violence against Americans in Iraq, should CBS be held accountable? Is this a form of treason? Or is this the ultimate in freedom of the press? Does the press have to right to incite violence and cause many more deaths to Americans, just because they can?  mad.gif

Shouldn't CBS have just reported their finding to the military and let them deal with the situation? Even though it is "our right to know", is it that important to know if it means that your son, your daughter, your father or mother gets killed because of it?  sad.gif

Perhaps not treason. I think it would depend on the motivation of the news people involved. Too much of the news is politically motivated and as one of the political pollsters said, "the hatred in this country has become "pathological" and it is desroying our country."
So I won't be misunderstood, I don't condone the treatment given to the Iraq POW"s by our military. It was despicable. But why is there this seemingly double standard? Or to put it another way, why do we never see the flip side of the abuses, such as those comitted against our POW"s or civilians . Did the news media show photos of the contractors who were dragged through the streets in Iraq? How many of our American people even know that this ever happened?

I'm reminded of a quote from the Bloom County cartoon, many years ago.
Berk Bretherd was the cartoonist. I apologize if I mispelled his name.

B.C. to Opus, the Penguin.
I think the ------ of this country are a bunch of (expletive deleted).

Opus: You mean they lie, deceive, steal, and cheat the American people?
Well blow me over with a feather.

It wasn't the media that was mentioned in the cartoon. Some of the description seems to fit some of media mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif


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Posted 06 May 2004 - 09:07 PM

It's a good thing that the media showed these pictures of Iraqi prisoners being mistreated by those FEW people who mistakenly call themselves soldiers. The media is a "watchdog" of the goverment/military. IF these pictures were never showed on TV, who knows how WIDE or DEEP this cover-up would have been or how long it could have gone on for. This is one controversy that won't go away or swept under the rugg just because those in positions of power and authority want it to.
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 03:15 AM

Soprano, you may be right. How do we know these pictures are fakes? They could be fake and we mistake them for real. There are so many questions here and less answers.
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 11:13 AM

Well, it's pretty much confirmed that the pics of males being humiliated are real shots...whether they were staged and posed or taken in the act remains to be seen...the shots of women being raped are fake only in the sense that they're from a porno film...it's the APPEARANCE that makes the issue. The people in Iraq who have working brain cells are generally not the ones causing problems for the troops.

There are also issues with the Brit photos. But the validity of the pics is secondary to their effect.
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 10:10 PM

It's a crazy situation!!
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Posted 08 May 2004 - 05:19 AM

I don't think there is much doubt that the photos that appeared in the Daily Mirror are fakes.Even the Mirror Group chairman a few days ago said that he "hoped" for the sake of his editor that the pictures were genuine.The opinion over here in the UK is divided over whether the people in the photos are "reconstructing" an actual case of abuse that they witnessed or whether the whole thing was just a ruse to obtain money from the newspaper.
If and when the photos are proved to be fakes I hope the authorities throw the book at the Mirror !
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  Posted 10 May 2004 - 06:45 AM

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It's a crazy situation!!

All the more reason our troops should be on guard and on their best behavior..at all times.
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Posted 14 May 2004 - 03:17 PM

We might all think the media is blowing the Iraq war and this abuse scandal out of proportion but most of the times, they aren't. These prisoners weren't just stripped naked, they were sodomized and beaten. Torture is torture no matter what scale its on. These prisoners are going to live with the scars the rest of their lives. And 70 to 90% of the prisoners weren't even supposed to be there! What if Jessica had been stripped naked in front of a camera. What, that isn't abuse??? She was just stripped naked? Right? No! We would all be horrified.

Remember a long time ago when an Iraqi employee working at the hospital Jessica was at during capitivity said that an innocent guy working there was taken by Americans and came back just about black from the sun? Well, now there saying that prisoners were left out in the sun for long periods of time.

And rember when that whole controversy on Jessica came out and BBC stated that the US government was lying and this crap and a lot of didn't believe it and bashed BBC? Then it turned out to be true! Just because our government says it, doesn't mean we have to believe because all governments lie. Yes, even Americans. Ouch.

This isn't just a "small group of soldiers." This is going on everywhere. Afghanistan, Cuba, and the CIA have carried out the abuse in the New York prison. But now the little people low on the totem pole are taking the blame when it is really the MI officers and Rumsfeld responsibility but they'll probably get away with it.
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Posted 15 May 2004 - 02:58 AM

The Daily Mirror has finally conceded that the photos of British soldiers abusing an Iraqi detainee are complete fakes.The newspaper editor has been sacked !
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