Unedited Video Requested Kucinich wants answers...
#1
Posted 04 June 2003 - 05:29 AM
New Zealand Scoop full text of press release
He bases his inquiry on reports of Iraqi doctors, not exactly a hotbed of truth. He's looking for private news reports to verify something they didn't witness, not exactly hard evidence. Military operations generally require the use of force where opposing force is expected, regardless of whether force is actually encountered. Kucincih presumes to replan an operation after the fact and to tell trained military professionals how to carry out an extraction. One would've thought that kind of micromanaging of military operations went out with the last chopper from the American Embassy in South Vietnam. That he has the audacity and pure unmitigated gall to second-guess and question the actions of our military is completely beyond reason. If he wanted to tell the military what to do, he should have become a General. He is just more evidence of the need to have a minimum military service requirement for anybody seeking to hold federal elective office, up to and including the Presidency. It's time we put a stop to doves and enemy appeasers making decisions that affect the America's military and the security of this country.
Phntmstrngr
#2
Posted 04 June 2003 - 08:10 AM
Personally, I think the idea that the rescue was staged is prepostorous. Our Special Op's guys shooting blanks - please( These men are trained to kill people and break things, not act in B action movies).
However, I also don't think that Ms. Lynch was a female rambo either. I doubt that she was shot and stabbed. I also think that the people in this forum who think she deserves the medal of honor are a little nuts. She is a hero for serving and for going through what she did. However, she is not Audie Murphy or Sgt. Alvin York. Actually, it is PC folly to even send women near the front lines.
Anyway, enough of my 2 cents, but the public deserves to know the truth about what happened.
#3 Guest_tekteam26_*
Posted 04 June 2003 - 09:38 AM
Jerry Hall
#4
Posted 04 June 2003 - 02:27 PM
#5
Posted 05 June 2003 - 10:46 AM
QUOTE (fixitmhn @ Jun 4 2003, 02:27 PM) |
What he fails to realize is there are millions of Jessi supporters that are voters too, and this tactic will probably backfire on him! |
I hope so... maybe it will teach the guy a good lesson.
#6
Posted 05 June 2003 - 06:44 PM
QUOTE |
What he fails to realize is there are millions of Jessi supporters that are voters too, and this tactic will probably backfire on him! |
Yes indeed it will. He's attempting to hold politically unviable ground, and I think he's going to realize it soon enough.
#7 Guest_dilligafst_*
Posted 06 June 2003 - 01:52 AM
I agree wholeheartedly with tmmango that the army has done an awful job of handling inquiries. Tmmango hit it right on the bullseye. The army spinmasters, or whoever, really blew it, not once, but twice, with this amnesia story as well. Jessica and her family certainly do not deserve to have to defend the rescue as well as everything else they are coping with. The public does, in fact, deserve to know -- within reasonable limits and sensibilities, of course -- because, after all, we do foot the bill for all this. The army has not trusted us enough. Us liberals throwing a bone in the works:)) Yet, it is more than that. Despite the army gaffs, the public has, as far as I know, not been swindled and has shown fantastic support for Jessica and her family. They do not seem to care if Jessica was Rambo Jane, something impossible in that short firefight, but the public has shown pretty great solidarity in support for Jessica. Their new house, for instance, where Jessica will, we all hope, soon go to continue her recovery, has been re-modeled with public donations from all over the country. It will be the public, local and national, that will, we all hope, continue their support despite what the spinmasters come up with.
#8
Posted 06 June 2003 - 06:42 AM
QUOTE (dilligafst @ Jun 6 2003, 02:52 AM) |
In the 1960's every man at the age of eighteen was subject to the draft. Us flamin' liberals got that one rescinded |
The flaming liberals did not get the draft rescinded. It ended because the Vietnam war ended. My lottery number never got called, but I came very close to being called in(went for my physical, etc.). Then the armed forces went all volunteer. You bet your sweet bipee (those from my generation will know what that means) that if the need arises again, the draft will be reinstated!
#9 Guest_redfalcon_*
Posted 06 June 2003 - 07:29 AM
Too many people starting to get a little onery here.
Please keep in mind that disagreements will occur between posters,but if you want to argue with others may I suggest private messaging each other instead of putting the argument on the board.
Remember this is supposed to be a positive message of support for Miss.Lynch to hopefully see one day if she hasn't already.
May God Bless You All
#10 Guest_tekteam26_*
Posted 06 June 2003 - 07:38 AM
Jerry Hall
#11 Guest_dilligafst_*
Posted 06 June 2003 - 10:59 AM
LOL..and I know well what you bet your sweet bipee means:) It's been a lot of years since I heard that one:)
I think you're right, though, that they could very well try to reinstate it. I wonder what will happen. Thanks for the post. Take care.
#12
Posted 06 June 2003 - 01:18 PM
QUOTE (dilligafst @ Jun 6 2003, 10:59 AM) |
fixitmhn: I was one of those that refused to register for the draft, something that had a lot of risks as it was against the law back in those days, as you know:) It was all the guys burning their draft cards and resisting it that ended the draft. The Vietnam war was still going on and some of my friends that had gone in were still going over there. One never came back. LOL..and I know well what you bet your sweet bipee means:) It's been a lot of years since I heard that one:) I think you're right, though, that they could very well try to reinstate it. I wonder what will happen. Thanks for the post. Take care. |
Here come da judge!!
#13
Posted 06 June 2003 - 01:20 PM
Years later, somebody will bring up Jessica Lynch and you'll think "oh yeah, she's the POW that got rescued but weren't the herioc stories about her and the rescue a fake or something?"
Is it a crime that the military and Pentagon kept the story private? Does Pfc. Jessica Lynch deserve to be criticized for serving America and almost gettting killed while protecting our freedom? For what, some doctors said they were scared and the Americans broke some doorknobs in the hospital. Are some broken things worth a soldier's life?
#14
Posted 06 June 2003 - 02:08 PM
QUOTE (dilligafst @ Jun 6 2003, 11:59 AM) |
It was all the guys burning their draft cards and resisting it that ended the draft. The Vietnam war was still going on and some of my friends that had gone in were still going over there. One never came back. |
While I agree that the war was still going on, the war was winding down and that's why the draft was ended, Not because of the draft card burning. I was in college at the time and participated in my share of anti war demonstrations and we definitely didn't have the ears of the politicians. In those days the politicians didn't listen to the protesters and draft card burners. The only reason the draft ended was because it wasn't necessary. They had enough recruits to satisfy their needs and ended it. My lottery number was in the middle of the pack, and I came real close to being called in so I was extremely aware of what was going on with the draft, and my parents were elated when it ended. The politicians and Defense Secretary McNamara indicated it ended because it wasn't needed anymore, but they reserved the right to re-instate it if required to satisfy their military requirements. I sat on pins and needles for a while wondering if they would reinstate it and I would be called. As it turned out my physical turned up a medical problem and they probably wouldn't have taken me anyway, but who knew? Any way, it's water under the bridge and I thank god for all the real heros that sign on the dotted line to defend this country. They are the real heros.
#15 Guest_canuck1000_*
Posted 06 June 2003 - 04:50 PM
There is no doubt that you will have politicans jump all over this matter with PFC Lynch to gain a political edge. This is sad but get used to it as it has happened in the past and it will happen again. The last thing you want to do is to speculate on what is happening without knowing the facts. I have seen it happen in Canada where specualtion and gossip without knowing the facts leads. The list thou of politicians who want to know the truth is growing and given that now the pentagon is going to be testing every soldier who has served and continues to serve in the pentagon you will be seeing the politicians jumping all over Bush as to where the WMD are. I dont want this to overshadow what PFC Lynch did over there and what the current heros are doing over there and continue to do in the defence of Ole Glory
Robert Kerr