[Matt Wiser]

Has anyone seen these pics before? They were from various sources on the web, including Wikipedia's article on the Battle of Nasiriya. One pic shows a 507th truck that was rammed by an Iraqi Type-69 tank during the ambush. The rest of the pics show the aftermath of the attack on the 507th.

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[RichardLowry]

I have all these pictures and more. I did not post them because they are quite gruesome. BTW, the truck was not rammed by a tank. It hit the tank's traversing main gun, destroying the cab.

Richard S. Lowry
"Marines in the Garden of Eden"

[mainzman]

A while back, I did see the second two pictures, but not the first one. I am sure if someone did a thorough enough web search, they might find more pictures of the aftermath of the ambush. I am sure there are many web sites that have pictures from the day pf the attack.

[RichardLowry]

The above pictures were taken by an embedded photographer who was with 2nd Battalion, 8th Marines. There are about a dozen photos of the vehicles and the body recovery effort. These three are from the recovery of the bodies. One even shows Marines carrying a body from the wreckage.

I have other photos of Marines recovering Jessica's uniform as well.



Richard
Marines in the Garden of Eden

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[Soprano84]

I hate to ask, but is that last pic of the Humvee Jessica, Lori and teh others were in? Certiany LOOKS like it ran into the back of something...

if so it's a miracle Lori survived as long as she did...the entire front cab is collapsed.

[Matt Wiser]

I was about to ask the same thing: is that Jessica and Lori's Hummer? Looks like it fell apart after it was pulled from behind the truck.

The first pic is from Wikepedia's article on the Battle of Nasiriya; the other two came from a site where vets were posting pics taken in-country. Only other pics from a Western source were either TV film of burning and abandoned vehicles, or stills taken from the TV footage; and Ted Koppel's Nightline episode where he went back up along the route he took as an embed with 3rd ID on the drive to Baghdad; he stopped in Nasiriya and found the stripped and abandoned 507th vehicles behind a gas station: they'd been stripped of anything useful and buried behind the gas station, but looters dug them up just the same.

[tekteam26]

I hate to ask, but is that last pic of the Humvee Jessica, Lori and teh others were in? Certiany LOOKS like it ran into the back of something...

if so it's a miracle Lori survived as long as she did...the entire front cab is collapsed.

It's definately not Jessi and Lori's vehicle. A few months after the ambush, several other photos were published of their humvee as it sat still against the side of Shoshana Johnson's semi-trailer. The view was from the left hand or driver's side of the vehicle. But it clearly shows that the humvee's frame had definately not buckled like this particular vehicle's had. The area where Lori would have sat as the driver was also fully intact as well. Some video of the same vehicle that later showed on a History Channel program shows the same thing with Lori's vehicle as well.

[RichardLowry]

Yes. That is 1stSgt Dowdy's Humvee. Lori was driving and Jessica was in the back with Anguiano and Buggs.

Richard S. Lowry
Marines in the Garden of Eden

[RichardLowry]

Here is another picture.

Richard S. Lowry
Marines in the Garden of Eden

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[Soprano84]

Here is another picture.

Richard S. Lowry
Marines in the Garden of Eden

Yeah.....that's teh one we've all seen befoer. The other one is new to me.

[Matt Wiser]

Here's another pic of the truck and the humvee: granted it's a scan from a tabloid, but it's unmistakably Jessica's and Lori's vehicle. Footage of both vehicles has been shown in a documentary marking the one-year anniversary of the invasion on the History Channel, before the truck and hummer were pulled apart. And in Jessica's book, it was stated that the impact against the truck was only about 45 MPH. First Sgt. Dowdy died immediately, and that Buggs and Augiano's deaths were still under investigation when the report on the ambush was issued.

One thing to keep in mind, remember the NBC video of Jessica and Lori in the military hospital? Lori didn't appear to have any leg injuries; only an obvious head injury-and being repositioned for the camera no doubt aggreviated it. And did you notice Jessica as well: no casts on her legs were apparent underneath the blanket.

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[tekteam26]

Here's another pic of the truck and the humvee: granted it's a scan from a tabloid, but it's unmistakably Jessica's and Lori's vehicle. Footage of both vehicles has been shown in a documentary marking the one-year anniversary of the invasion on the History Channel, before the truck and hummer were pulled apart. And in Jessica's book, it was stated that the impact against the truck was only about 45 MPH. First Sgt. Dowdy died immediately, and that Buggs and Augiano's deaths were still under investigation when the report on the ambush was issued.

One thing to keep in mind, remember the NBC video of Jessica and Lori in the military hospital? Lori didn't appear to have any leg injuries; only an obvious head injury-and being repositioned for the camera no doubt aggreviated it. And did you notice Jessica as well: no casts on her legs were apparent underneath the blanket.

A careful examination of the last photo of Lori's humvee as it rests against the rear of Shoshona Johnson's semi-trailer reveals that there is no intrusion of the driver's compartment where Lori sat. The aluminum frame of the humvee is not deformed there at all. All of the photos show that there was no way that Jessi could have suffered any of the crushing injuries in the accident. The humvee had not rolled at all. The entire passenger compartment with the possible exception of the front right corner remained completely intact. If the one photo of the humvee with the damage to the front right side is also of Lori's humvee, it is also evident that only the person who was sitting at the front right hand seat was at a position were the passenger compartment suffered any intrusion. SFC Dowdy was the person sitting at that location and died immediately in the accident.

During the Iraqi videotape that was shown in Dec 03 on NBC News, it did show Lori Ann Piestewa with facial bruising. The interesting details about this is that how the bruising was very generalized around Lori's face. If she had suffered the injuries to her face as a result from being slammed into the humvee's steering wheel, there would have been a generally circular or semi-circular pattern to the bruising. In addition, Lori would have been wearing her Kevlar combat helmet as would have Jessi. This would have protected much of the upper parts of the two female soldiers' heads and faces. The bruising and swelling of the two soldier's faces was much more reminicent of that of a boxer after a match than of a motor vehicle accident. As Matt had also noted, the Iraqi doctors who had claimed to have given Jessi and Lori such caring medical attention, were far more than willing to move Lori's legs and head in order to position her for the camera. This makes it very clear that either Lori did not have any fractures at that time, that the Iraqis could not find any fractures, or that the Iraqi medical staff simply didn't care.

One other curious point....Lori was in the front of the vehicle and much closer to the point of impact than Jessi. Why would Jessi have gotten multiple compound fractures of her limbs curled up in a ball in the back of the humvee while Lori had no fractures at all of her limbs?